A paint job gone out of controll...my 4G under the knife.

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Re: A paint job gone out of controll...my 4G under the knife

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I've had R1R's loose grip without warning on my first run when they were cold, like an R comp would. The low tread wear of the R1R isn't too far off from a Hoosier A6, which is probably why they act like R comps when cold. I had a fresh set of R1R's on my Fit, on a cold morning my first run when I hit the first big turn the car oversteered almost to the point where I lost it, I caught it before it was too late but was very surprised, I've only had that happen with R Comps on my race car.
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As far as I know the compound is the same as the R888's only the TW rating is 140 instead of 100. I would like to try a set of 888's next but they're twice the price and I'm not all that sure they'd be that much better. So far these tires have been great for the weight and power of the car. I've heard though that on heavier cars they don't perform as well and wear out fairly fast. But then again this is all to be expected.
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Sandman wrote:As far as I know the compound is the same as the R888's only the TW rating is 140 instead of 100. I would like to try a set of 888's next but they're twice the price and I'm not all that sure they'd be that much better. So far these tires have been great for the weight and power of the car. I've heard though that on heavier cars they don't perform as well and wear out fairly fast. But then again this is all to be expected.
I used them on my 2010 Fit which is about 600 pounds heavier than my gutted out 91 Civic and they still performed very well, however I only used them at one Autocross event on my Fit so I can't comment on how they wear on a heavier car. The R888's I've heard mixed opinions about, I know in Autocross the R1R is usually much preferred for Street Touring, the classes that allow an R Compound tire like the R888, everyone just uses Hoosier A6's they don't waste their time with the R888. I believe for Club Racing like you do, the Hoosier R6 would be the go to tire over a R888. If your class allows full on slicks maybe try some Avons, expensive yes but what a grip!
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Hoosier was never available over here. And the various events over here have specific tires they allow in. And most of the events that are open for "the every man" require road legal tires and that rules out lots of tires. As for the R1R's when the weather gets around freezing you rly notice that they don't work anymore.

If anyone watches Top Gear and remembers the show where Mika Häkkinen is driving James May around the track, I'll be there in a few weeks for some track day fun. :)
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Aparently this old girl turns heads more than it used to. There have been three interesting things happened this week. A friend told me that he saw a nice old civic with some visible suspension tuning peeking from under the car before he realized that the plate looked familiar and indeed the bearded driver rang a bell.

An other thing, a customer of ours asked leaving the store "Who owns that honda? And what's been done to it?" After crawling around and taking note of the brakes, brake lines and sticky tires he asked about the engine and determined that "oh that's just about right for a light car like this one"

The third thing I heard was from my brother. One of the youths of the are asked him if he had information on "that red civic that sounds a bit mean" :D

I tell you folks. This old bucket of bolts never gets attention on the street. I don't know if it's been off the road for so long that people forget about these or is it just old enough to get attention... but somehow I like the little attention it's getting.


Now that we're staying on topic. I ordered some service parts today. New dizzy cap, rotor, spark plugs and an alternator belt. All from a good friend of mine that works in a big part store.
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I bet these beauties are getting rare. I rarely see them rolling around in Tallinn. But every time I see one I get super excited!
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They sure are getting rare. I know some are still out there but mostly they're dying off. Yours should be the pride of .ee when it's finished :)
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I have neglected to update my thread. :(

A few things have happened since the last update. I'll post a wall of text now. If the pictures don't work for you, let me know since they're on a different website atm.

While the day at ahvenisto race track went well for the most part, I did find some new things I need to get sorted. First off the suspension now works as it should. This leads to a problem that I rly need a better seat. On my regular track it wasn't that bad but on a track like ahvenisto I was struggling to keep my self in place.

Also, I managed to overheat my oil. As a result I need to change it(ofc) and readjust my valves. These dohc D-series are sort of sensitive, they go out of adjustment easily. I think I need to add a gauge or two to keep an eye on things.


So I got myself one of these. My new oil temperature gauge. It's not the most expensive gauge out there, but a friend of mine has had good experiences with these. And it looks similar to the Innovate afr gauve I have.
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With very little to do over the winter I've been guilty of I'll do it next weekend. The gauge is still not in, I'll sort that out but in the meantime I had to deal with an issue that happened at the FG track day - valve adjustment. I noticed it started tapping(knocking is more like it) after apparently the oil over heated. The oil indeed had, I found out after I changed it right after the track day.

So the issue of adjusting the valves was made harder by a crown nut being stuck on the middle of the valve cover. Over time it has been a place where it would let a tiny bit of oil through if you didn't tighten it enough... well the last time I did it it gave up. And got stuck. One of the "I'll do it later" jobs.
After using up a few of these just to get a 10mm crown nut off I could remove the valve cover.
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Still all there, at first glance nothing out of place.
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Untill I spotted this little detail.
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The locking nut of the rocker arm/valve adjustment had come loose. I later found it on the other side of the valve cover near an exhaust valve. These engines are known to have issues with the rocker arms under certain situations. Usually the valve clearance is just out of whack. I suppose there's this possibility as well. I can't say how lucky I was that the nit didn't get wedged between one of the many places it could have.

Now all I need to do is get myself a new one of these. It's the bolt the valve cover crown nut is attached to.
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I managed to get some sparco seats from a friend. These will show up when I get it out of me to take them with me from his place.

I picked this up yesterday morning. Sadly though due to certain delays it'll be at least a few days before I can get it on the car.
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2€ coin for scale, I also got ripped off in shipping. Thank you MH!
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Well yesterday was the day. I had a friend help me button her up because for certain reasons I can't do much atm. The battery was flat, fired right up once we gave her a jump. Still sounds damn good.
My friend also took this rather nice picture when we were about to take her out.

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Last saturday was sort of an eventful one. As I said the battery was flat, well that wasn't the whole story. I charged up the battery for about 24h, plugged it in and it fired up... once. I ended up stranded at a service station until I got a boost from a random guy on the fuel pumps. Drove it to the place I got the battery from last may and had it tested. Result "Change battery".

Also, standing near the doorway of a big part strore with the hood up caused some curios ppl to stop and look. One even doubled back and asked me to open the hood again(I just closed it when he walked in to the store).
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While I was over at my friends place kicking stones, playing pocket pool and helping out with his Alfa Romeo we managed to pack some stuff in to my car. Mostly parts for a project alfa 155 that an other friend will be taking over, but these as well as 4-point seat belts.

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An annoying feature I've had for a while now has been an instable idle. On occasion it would be fine and other times it would fall and then pick up again. I realized the other night(at 5am :D) that my TPS sensor must be out of what because the symptoms match and it's possible it's been touched when the head was off. And they go out of what in time anyway.

So the offending article is here. On newer ones you can't adjust it without getting rid of the studs keeping it in. On mine there's a nut and a screw!
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So two pins were inserted in to the connector in the back. Power was turned on and the throttle was at WOT. The value should be 4.5 volts. You adjust this by turning the sensor. We're now at a steady 4.5
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At idle the voltage should be around 0.5. Both being off does do odd things and at the moment it's better. But I need to fiddle around with it more to get it perfect. You adjust this by opening a nut behind the throttle cable and adjusting it with an allen key. But, you also need to open the throttle cable and adjust it and then use the allen key. This is what it was when we started
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Swapped out the drivers seat with a friend late saturday evening... though when we were through it was 2.40am. Too late to swap the other one.

Most of the time was spent on figuring out how to get the original seat rails working with the recaro seat. The holes in the bottom of the seat were all lined up in a nice square, where as with the original rails the other rail is higher than the other one and none of the floor bolts are in line. The seats had two metal bars out of the car the seats came out of. Two pieces of 3mm walled profile tubing was cut to lengh and two captive nuts got welded in so that the seat can be bolted on. They were welded on the metal bars and the seats were bolted in The height of the profile tubing was a perfect match to get the seat height perfect. I had to fiddle with the belts a little yesterday because some of them were twisted around and I didn't notice it that late in the night.


The old tired seat. Mind you I swapped the oringinal seats the car came with out in 2008 for a better pair of OEM seats. Time has not been kind to this one.
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When we were bolting the seat in the last bolt started to spin around. The floor side mounting hole had fractured from all the strain it had been through. It got cleaned up and a new patch with a new nut was welded in.
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All ready to go. I know the bare metal floor with the dirty flaking bitumin looks a bit rough. But I don't rly care about that that much.
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There was a day off this week! So I put the other one in as well
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They look great!!

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Thanks! The improvement over the stock seats is mind bending! Massive difference.
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